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Leo K



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:18 am    Post subject: Pet Sounds will live forever If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote



(and look how great this album looks next to Janeane)

I just want to express my love for this album...and understanding that I don't have any kind of technical knowledge regarding the sessions, overdubs and etc. I love to read the posts from the scholars of course, but man, how can you speak of something so sacred and not cheapin' the experience?

Well...I'm not worried that my experience will be cheapened anymore.

What do I love about this album? Well, the orchestration for one thing...the imagination of the arrangements and the 'sound' that is captured through the recording process and production. I am basically
a huge fan of great arrangements and orchestration. Thats why I love Mahler too.

Actually, I don't hear this album as 'forward' looking or really
timeless...the arrangements and the sound of this album always bring
me to a specific 'time' or memory...the look of 60's furniture, or
the lampstands and curtains from mohogany walled apartments from the
early 70's, with women in flimsy sun dresses and granny glasses--
taking me by the hand to a park...all this flashes though the
remnents of my childhood soaked brain and I return to paradise. I
love the Lawrence Welk, easy-listening-type arrangements brought to
an aggressive level that approches the sound of danger, or even
maddness. I love how the vocals sound rather unfinished in places,
being the most realized on Sloop John B.

I love the fractured story the songs strive to tell, only to fail on
the wake of a missed train. Music isn't enough at the end...the truth
of 'reality' through the use of stock recordings taken from life like
a snapshot...with no tones to construct chords with, or place
together to form an artificial pattern to create art.

I love how the melodies of these songs are not really obvious, and
not always immediate and boldly outlined...rather they are as much
smoke and mirrors as Robert Johnson's Hellhounds On My Trail blues.
The architecture of the musical arguement is there in each song, but
the mist soons covers the logic...and all I can do is trust that what
I heard was real, and I can play the song again...as the song is
still there.

Or is it?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:27 am    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

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Actually, I don't hear this album as 'forward' looking or really
timeless...the arrangements and the sound of this album always bring
me to a specific 'time' or memory...the look of 60's furniture, or
the lampstands and curtains from mohogany walled apartments from the
early 70's, with women in flimsy sun dresses and granny glasses--
taking me by the hand to a park...all this flashes though the
remnents of my childhood soaked brain and I return to paradise. I
love the Lawrence Welk, easy-listening-type arrangements brought to
an aggressive level that approches the sound of danger, or even
maddness.



Ahh yes, and the first Record Room writing award goes to Leo. Fresh air streaming in my mind from that.

I will always associate the record with bright green, on the cover and the solid green reissue label. My dad took me to Foster's Ice Cream in Burbank on the hottest day imaginable and we went in Big Ben Records, and I looked through the Beatles, and my dad went his way. He came back holding the green and yellow vision, and I asked what it was. He said "Pet Sounds by the Beach Boys, my favourite album". I couldn't comprehend that. And I didn't when I heard it.
But over the years of the 80's, I would play it every once in a while, and I couldn't reconcile what I heard with the Beach Boys I saw on the television, in the strange 80's.
In 1988, I really got it. The back cover seemed strangely malevolent, a strange inversion of the cool black-and-white casualness of the back of Rubber Soul.
Green. And Smiley is green. My second Beach Boys moment. So all is green for me and the Beach Boys.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:41 am    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Thanks for that story...that is a good powerful memory there...and the kind that never leaves.

I agree regarding Green and the BB...good call on the green of Pet and Smiley...but it makes sense too. The heart chakra is green if I recall correctly, and thats what Brian is...a walking breathing heart...almost no intellect revealed...that he keeps private.

It took me along time to really get this album...along time to love it. And the myths around it also add to the experience...it doesn't really matter what is true or false regarding Pet Sounds it seems to me...perhaps that goes for Smile too, though I love the huge discussion and debate regarding the world of Wilson.

Favorite moment? The horn in God Only Knows.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:58 am    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

I love all the moments that tie the album to the earlier BB eras, the "ba ba ba"'s, and the truly complete thought of the album. It is as perfectly complete as Smiley is perfectly incomplete.
The first thing I really keyed into as a kid was That's Not Me. It really clicked for me as an outcast by choice even at a very young age, Then I Just Wasn't Made. To be 15 and hear "Where do I turn when my fairweather friends cop out? What's it all about" just rended my heart completely.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

I agree regarding it's utter completeness, and each tune is better when heard in the context of the album too.

Wouldn't It Be Nice is a bittersweet song that also describes my hopes and dreams...yeah, it may sound corny...but you know what I mean. Happyness is a profound consideration, and this song is such a celebration and great achievement in describing that mood. Accordians...wow, he did it with accordians.

Thats Not Me is amazing...the basses are really in the face too...almost obnoxious and totally free. I didn't hear the album until I was 25...and I didn't understand the lyrics until recently at age 36...since I moved to the desert away from Minnesota...my home.

The Barrelhouse piano in Not Made For These Times is unique...interesting choices thorughout that song though...like the strange background vocals that are not very clear.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Yes indeed!
What blew my mind upon hearing the separated overdubs and the progression of I Just Wasn't Made on the SOT was finally being able to understand all those parts, then marveling at how none of the parts step on each other, they all resolve during a split-second break in the other interlocking parts. So advanced. And so emotional.

The power of the kettledrums of Waiting For the Day and the subtlety of the flute section, the empathy of the lyrics, wow.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Yes, when I got the PS box I couldn't WAIT to hear Not Made For These Times. It was more advanced than I could possibly imagine at that time. Very deep layering.

Waiting For The Day...it is very Ivesian to pit a timpani against a flute like that, but it makes the song. The contrast alone describes Wilson's state of mind in a big way. That song is an important song in the Wilson canon. The arrangement tells the story more than the lyrics... well, "that goes without saying" I guess Very Happy
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Yes, Ives! And I think it says a lot that Brian was so influenced by Jack Nitzsche's arrangements for Spector, abd Nitzsche was such a huge Ives fan. Yeah, I see those connections.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

IanWagner wrote:
Yes, Ives! And I think it says a lot that Brian was so influenced by Jack Nitzsche's arrangements for Spector, abd Nitzsche was such a huge Ives fan. Yeah, I see those connections.


Yeah...somehow Ives's sounds got into rock and pop years after his death, and movie scores too...

As a teen, Bernard Herrman went to visit Ives many times to hear Ives rant about this and that. Very interesting.
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Yes, and there is a lot of Ives in Pino Donaggio's film scores as well.
And you reminded me, an upcoming thread will be a sharing of Herrmann's work, including his non-film work as well. I'd love your thoughts and analysis there.
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IanWagner wrote:
Yes, and there is a lot of Ives in Pino Donaggio's film scores as well.
And you reminded me, an upcoming thread will be a sharing of Herrmann's work, including his non-film work as well. I'd love your thoughts and analysis there.


I really look forward to the Herrmann thread, as I don't know all his scores, with Vertigo being my favorite. I will study what I do know to get prepared.
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Great. His Moby Dick symphony (non-film) is just awe-inspiring.
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Interesting, I haven't heard the Moby Dick piece...should be great to hear!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:43 am    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

I finally got hold of the DCC Gold Pet Sounds CD, and man...this really does sound better than the other editions on CD, even the most recent anniversary reissue. Cool Cool Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:02 am    Post subject: If a post contains some illegal issues you may abuse on it - just click Abuse and fill the form Reply with quote

Leo K wrote:
I finally got hold of the DCC Gold Pet Sounds CD, and man...this really does sound better than the other editions on CD, even the most recent anniversary reissue. Cool Cool Cool


That the 1993 issue? Is that in mono or stereo?

I prefer the stereo myself.. IMO music like this should breathe.. it sounds so much more enveloping and sweet in stereo.

I also didn't grow up listening to it in mono, so my opinion doesn't really count.
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